Transcription of a lecture given by Mark Phillips and Cathy O'Brien at the Granada Forum, October 31, 1996:

Mark Phillips is from Nashville, Tennessee, aka Gore country. His vocation has been primarily in the advertising field. He was oriented to medical telemetry, electronics, commercial aviation and national tourism. His skills were in the area of subliminal marketing tools for the sub-contractor to the Department of Defense (DOD).

The area of hypnotism used to be a joke, but now we find that it is no longer the entertainment thing that it used to be. It's a very sophisticated business. It is being done on a much larger scale.

His work with the DOD made him a subliminal persuasion expert. He is recognised in the media nationally and has been interviewed by many people on the subject of mind control. And he is also best known for his help in the recovery of our second speaker, who is Cathy O'Brien.

Cathy comes from Michigan. She is formerly also with the US DOD. The 'MK-Ultra/Monarch/CIA/mind-control slave', was the expression used. She was a victim of paedophilia in this horror story that was a terrible thing from beginning to end. But thank God it didn't work.

As you listen to the two speakers, ask yourself this question: Is it meant that the leaders of our country take their oath of office and say, '…so help me God'?

Let's give a warm welcome to our speakers this evening. We have Mark Philips who will give us an introduction.

Mark Phillips...

"Thank you John. And thank you all of Granada Forum.

You folks really represent what I fantasise will happen all across this great land. As a matter of fact, around the world.

You have heard a number of speakers in the past that have enlightened you on a variety of subjects. The one tonight – this is very apropos that it be Halloween – this is probably the worst story that you have ever heard.

I spent a great deal of time trying to not want to believe this. But unfortunately, the evidence is that support not only Cathy O'Brien's story, and the other evidences that Senator John De Camp from the 'Nebraska/Franklin cover-up', to support what you are going to be hearing tonight. In addition to that, there has been a tremendous amount of information that has surfaced over the past three years, that has come from people who have been on the front lines. Not only therapists, but we have got generals and colonels from all branches of the military, and members of 'intelligence' that have provided us with literally tons of documentation – not only supporting Cathy's story but thousands of others just like her.

Cathy O'Brien is not unique. I wish she were. Because if she were, I would not be in front of you tonight. Because it would mean that this problem went no further.

Unfortunately, that is not the case.

What has happened to Cathy O'Brien is happening all around the world. And it's happening in day-care centres, it's happening in homes – and not homes of Appalachian people who lack any education and have been practising incest for years – this is happening as a result of a very co-ordinated effort that has come out of the 'intelligence' communities, from around the world.

My role in all this is relatively simple, but nevertheless complex. I'm going to give you all a background tonight of a few minutes of MK-Ultra information.

I can't, nor can Cathy, discuss what we may surmise are other victims; other than the ones that are the most obvious – like Timothy McVeigh (the 'Oklahoma bomber' – ed.). And again, it is not our experience, we have no proof, we only have Mr McVeigh's admissions and some other information that would support it.

We have spent about five and a half years on the lecture circuit with law-enforcement and mental-health. Now that was done to protect us. It was also done to ferret out as much information as we could regarding other survivors, and co-operative law-enforcement who are like you are – they are free-thinkers who knew something was going on but didn't understand it.

I will attempt to give you some background on myself so that you'll have some understanding of how I was able to do what we've accomplished, Cathy and I. But our main concern, of course, remains the same focus; and that is to get this information out to the populace of this country and all the other countries that are affected. And we don't know of many that aren't. And also to affect Cathy O'Brien's institutionalised daughter, Kelly. Who, by the way, went into an institution when she was eight years-old, right after I rescued them, and she remains in an institutionalised setting to this day.

I don't know how many of you can imagine being a child and being raised in a mental institution. But I can assure you, it is not a pretty sight. Even though Kelly has not been mis-treated as she had been prior to going in to the institution.

External control of the mind is not something new. It is thousands of years old. It's recorded in caves, it's recorded – the exact formula for trauma-based mind control – in the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Adolph Hitler was particularly interested in mind-control and he assigned his right-hand man, Heinrich Himmler, to do some research, particularly on the families of Northern European multi-generation sexually abused, psychologically abused, physically abused children.

I'm sure that those of us who read the Bible and understand the literal interpretation about 'the sins of the father', understand what 'multigenerational abuse' means. In this case, multigenerational abuse – and that begins at birth – involves horrendous sexual, psychological and physical abuse that is put on these children by their 'care-givers'.

Adolph Hitler knew that these people who are abused become very, very receptive to external control of their mind. They also develop some incredible abilities – like forty-four times visual acuity. Now I know that is doesn't take a rocket scientist – pardon the pun – to figure out how we could use someone with forty-four times the average person's visual acuity. It's called Special Forces.

Special Forces individuals are screened very carefully.

Now back when I was working for the Defense Department in a project known as MK-Ultra, which was the exact project that Adolph Hitler assigned Himmler to do, on multigenerationally abused children, I saw nothing of what Cathy O'Brien is reporting. I saw no abuse. What I saw in the prison systems and in the mental institutions were people who had a chance to recover their lives and their minds. I saw things that were very benevolent. And I really and truly believed the information that I was seeing would eventually reduce our prison and our mental institution populations – dramatically. Because I saw true rehabilitation occur without the use of trauma.

Well, I was sworn to secrecy on the things that I witnessed, on the equipment that was used. And I can assure you that in 1967 all the way up through 1973 when I was involved in this research as a DOD sub-contractor, the equipment that I saw then was 25-30 years ahead of anything known on this planet in the private sector. I don't know if I was even seeing a portion of what was actually available. I don't know if what I was witnessing represented even a small percentage of what was actually occurring. But I was put into that job after months and months and months of psychological examinations because they knew that I could keep a secret. I was given a Defense Department clearance. I knew about the Heinrich Himmler studies for Adolph Hitler, and I knew that Adolph Hitler wanted to develop some very serious people to put in places to control various regions in what he called, and what George Bush called, and Nero called, the NEW WORLD ORDER.

You see, Adolph Hitler was not the first, nor was George Bush, to fantasise about this hideous idea of totalitarian government; enslaving the entire globe through mind-manipulation.

Now, mind-manipulation comes in a lot of forms. You folks are not falling into one huge trap, and that is: INFORMATION CONTROL.

We need your support. This book (Trance Formation of America – ed.) is not distributed through book stores for the most part. The few book stores that do handle it handle it directly with us. To guard the integrity of the book so that it would go totally uncensored, we published it ourselves the first time. We now have an opportunity before us because many of the people Cathy has mentioned in the book have been indicted for a variety of reasons, or are facing indictments, or have fled their respective countries, or stepped down from power. For one simple reason: corruption that they could not cover up.

Now the corruption that we are talking about here goes beyond, I hope, most of your limits of experience. It certainly went beyond mine.

Adolph Hitler had the largest number of human subjects from which to work and do his horror on. And it was even accepted by most of the people in his country, that these prisoners of war were to be subjected to anything that he chose that would better his country. Well, MK-Ultra took on the same scientists. In 1947, when the National Security Act was formed, there was a project developed called Project Paperclip. It was a few airlines at that time that were cranked up. Capital International Airlines (Mark holds up a cap with CIA written on – ed.) was one of those airlines. I was vice-president of Capital Airlines for a period of time.

Cathy O'Brien is certainly a remarkable person. But I can assure you that the prognosis for recovery of someone who has been horribly abused before aged five – before the brain is fully formed – the level of recovery is very good. These people can lead normal productive lives; even though they have experienced in most cases a lifetime of horrific abuse. That was the thing that surprised me the most.

Now there are a lot of survivors out there. There are a lot of survivors in various levels of recovery. Cathy is, again, the only one that we know of that is vocal, that has written a book that has been validated and we haven't been locked up.

This information that Adolph Hitler was developing, we developed through Project Paperclip.

Project Paperclip was the importation of Nazi and fascist scientists into this country after World War Two that saturated our universities, saturated our 400-500 corporations, saturated NASA – it built NASA – and it has infiltrated every aspect of society with its filth! Filth in child pornography, filth in blood rituals and hideous religious beliefs that involve human sacrifice – anything to traumatise the mind.

I am approached by avid researchers who say, 'This is Satan behind it.' Well. I want to tell you, these are people behind it. Because I worked for the airline that brought these folks in. I had no idea what I was involved in but I was recruited by Capital International Airways for the purposes that I could keep my mouth shut and I worked on a need-to-know basis.

Most operatives do not know who they are working for. There are over 86,000 of them in this country. Now you divide that by 50 and see what you come up with. This place is crawling with Big Brother. The KGB never had that many functioning operatives in high levels as we do in this country. '1984', George Orwell's book, really was a grim prophecy that has come true.

Most people are saying, 'We've got to stop this New World Order from taking over.' Its already here. We're in it.

Now let's understand who the players are, and some of their tools.

Trauma-based mind-control to develop a totally robotic human being, is one type. Fortunately, it requires a great deal of horrible trauma that somebody's got to put on to these people. And it requires something more that just pushing a button or a console. There is equipment available now that we cannot protect ourselves form. And the amazing part about this equipment is that it is available to everyone in this room. I don't quite understand the philosophy about making pain-field generators and another device called an MDD1, which is uses a dual-coil electro-magnetic pulse system, which affects our cerebral cortex – stops logical thought. You couldn't balance your cheque book if one of these things was turned on nor could you think to turn it off. Any more than Cathy O'Brien could have thought to have walked away from her victimisation.

This is not the 'beaten wife syndrome'. This has nothing to do with the economic situation. This has something to do with robotic mind-control.

There are tons and tons of documents. 'Trance Formation of America' is a book, our book, Cathy's autobiography, I wrote the first four or five chapters, to give you a briefing. But what this book contains is her life – that which we can validate. When this book was printed we had over 27,000 documents. 27,000 documents fit into 5 filing cabinets. We now have over 3 tons of paperwork!

General Russel Bowen, who set up Operation Watchtower, the CIA's drug operation…

By the way, how many of you believe that the CIA is the world's largest drug dealer (Mark raises his hand in the affirmative, so do the majority of the audience – ed.). So that makes our country the largest drug dealer on the face of the Earth. And I resent this. I know now why the 'intelligence' community did not want me for an officer. I know now why I was not privy to some of the stuff that I am now unfortunately very privy to. Because I think I'd have blown the whistle on them. There's a lot of whistle-blowers out here now.

I'm not into this. I was hired because I could keep secrets. This is against my programming. But I can assure you of this: It would be against God and everything that I am if I didn't get up here and talk and present Cathy O'Brien so that she can present her story.

Cathy and I are really humbled by the number of people that we see who would have done the same thing. And people come up and say, 'Oh man, we really appreciate what you are doing.' And I say, 'Well thank you. I appreciate hearing that.' I even appreciate it when I hear people say, 'This is hard to believe. I'm going to look at this book and I'm going to look at these documents.'

I tell them, 'Please, please do this.' Look in the back of our book and you'll get a thumb-nail sketch of some books that you can get that are written by doctors, 'intelligence' officers and a number of other concerned professionals who present the elements of what Cathy experienced.

This is good news because I wouldn't have one ounce of credibility as far as MK-Ultra goes if this didn't come out, and I couldn't even tell you the code-name. In 1977, the 95th US Congress met to address an issue that a doctor Ewen Cameron – the founder of the American Psychiatric Association (APA), the lobby group in Washington that controls what doctors do for our heads when we run into trouble…

Psychiatry is the youngest of all the healing arts and it is the most primitive of them all. The information that therapists are provided with by their lobby has been carefully screened. Information on rehabilitating victims of mind-control is not only scarce but it has required some incredible efforts by some brave individuals who wound up getting sued because they could not violate the civil rights of the individual that they were treating.

The situation with Cathy and I was very different. I wasn't a doctor. I wasn't a psychiatrist. I had no insurance or practise or licence to protect. So I kept Cathy from reading newspapers. You see, when I rescued her on February 8th 1988, she didn't know her name, how old she was or where she'd been. I'd seen this with people involved in espionage and I immediately thought that Cathy had been an information courier, even though she was dressed like a prostitute, walked like a prostitute and talked like someone who was leading a Christian choir somewhere. It was such a conflict, I couldn't quite grasp this contrast. Until I was given a great deal of information from some people involved in 'intelligence' in this country and abroad. I was fed a treatment modality that would ultimately lead to putting Cathy O'Brien free again for the second time in her life. The first time was when she was born and it stopped right there!

Cathy O'Brien had been a victim of the most horrendous abuse system known to man. The type of mind-control that Adolph Hitler thought that he could use on certain individuals to put them in positions of extraordinary power whilst having invisible strings – a master puppeteer to their minds and what they said. I don't know if we have politicians like that now or not. Because it seems like you don't have to put them under mind-control, they'll do anything that corrupt members of Congress persuade them to do. I've known several corrupt congressmen that didn't have to be blackmailed with sex, that didn't have to be enticed with money, or drugs. They just simply were corrupt.

You see, a sociopath (called in Britain, a 'psychopath' – ed.) is a very outgoing individual. Leaders. Unfortunately, sociopaths have no conscience, no expression of soul. They do not relate to anyone else's pain except that it gives them pleasure.

MK-Ultra was designed and had many sub-projects for developing the perfect soldier, the perfect espionage agent, things that I was told would cover an area of our National Security that no soldier and no diplomat could possibly cover. No one told me that we were using them as drug mules and prostitutes. No one told me that we were using them for breeders so that children could be provided for sheikhs, world leaders. No one told me that we were using them for money-laundering operations.

When I rescued Cathy and her daughter it took me a year to put Cathy back together – literally – with a whole lot of help, and a whole lot of love. Other therapists don't have that latitude. They can't love their patients. They can't keep them away from telephones, newspapers and TVs. And they wind up getting contaminated because they are highly suggestible.

They see an ad for fried chicken, they can smell it. Now, I dreamed as an ad-man to be able to produce ads like that. I worked real hard just to get somebody to go, 'Nice ad.' But nobody ever drooled on any pages that I ever put out. And I used subliminal. I used a form of neuro-linguistics. Those of you who don't know about NLP should learn. Tony Robins is an advocate of NLP and he teaches it. Matter of fact, he taught George Bush and he taught Bill Clinton. And there's nothing wrong with Tony Robins, he's not a bad guy. He's a smart businessman. And any smart businessman these days knows the value of neuro-linguistics – or the language of the unconscious. To me it's the subconscious.

The language of the subconscious provided many of the codes, keys and triggers to unlock all the rest of the doors in Cathy's mind that pertained specifically to her abuse. It gave me information like bank account numbers first. And by the way I am nothing more than a hacker. And instead of going around and looting the bank accounts and having to hide for the rest of my natural life in luxury, I took them to the FBI. Not because I knew they were clean or dirty, it's because I didn't want them to kill me over it.

I provided everything that's in this book over a period of three and a half years to every state federal and local law enforcement agency that was directly involved with this case. And the names of over a thousand agencies and people are in this book.

I wanted to get this before Congress, like happened in the 95th US Congress in 1977, when the wife of a Canadian cabinet member had gone in to a mental hospital in Montreal, where Dr Ewen Cameron was practising, and she came out as a vegetable. The cabinet member was incensed on trying to find out what had happened to his wife. They put her through horrific electro-shock tortures and every other conceivable torture – drugs, hypnosis. Unfortunately, many, many others were involved in Dr Ewen Cameron's (the founder of the APA) experiments. Of those recovered ones, I'm in touch with two and these people are highly functional and one of them will be doing the same thing we are in the very near future.

I don't know of any in this country that have recovered to the point that Cathy O'Brien has because no doctor can dedicate 16-18 hours of every day, day in , day out, seven days a week, and violate every civil right that they've got, and get away with it legally. Nor can they have their patients legally go into the safe of their handler and pull out their diaries.

By the way, in one of the diaries it's got Bill Clinton's home phone number, it's got Dick Thornburgh on a coke deal for $20,000, and the list goes on.

This is a small group, gang. If you consider the population of the United States, it's so fractional – these bad guys that are in control of all of us – that we wonder what on Earth could they be doing? How does Clinton survive all of these attacks against him? How did George Bush survive the attacks against him? Well he didn't. He went out of office. But I don't believe anything changed. I believe the guy that he had for his replacement did exactly what he wanted him to do. Like start out with NAFTA and GATT. We are, as David Icke so eloquently said, a one-party system.

There are ways to change that. And there are a number of people who are making some very positive efforts in that direction. But that's their job. My job and Cathy's job is to stand before groups like you, very nervous, because we want to make sure that the information will excite you enough to go out and talk about it, or go out and investigate it and talk about it some more. We attempt to get our books out by the case. And they get real cheap when you buy a case of them. One box of 36 books – $232. And we deliver them.

This book is information. It is Truth. And it is Truth that will set us free.

I am absolutely intent on the idea that the information contained in this book will indeed reach the eyes of those who can see. And the information on this video will reach the ears and eyes of those who can hear and see Truth, so that they will get out and wonder why Sirhan Sirhan (Bobby Kennedy's assassin – ed.) had the same psychiatrist – Jolyon West – as Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh.

Now, this guy's real popular. He's right down here at UCLA. He was also the first person to call me on my unlisted, unpublished, fake name telephone, out in the 'boonies', outside Anchorage, Alaska, after I had rescued Cathy and her daughter. And a woman by the name of Margaret Singer, who may be a friend of one or two of you out there, but I don't miss a chance to bring out the fact that she was the one that sent another character in on us up there.

I wasn't connected well enough to be told not to do anything on my own; and at the time I was absolutely out of mind from hearing this stuff. I was suffering from what is known as 'post-traumatic stress disorder'. I was shell-shocked from hearing what Cathy and Kelly were telling me. And then I was showing this information to members of the 'intelligence' community and members of other branches of federal law enforcement who validated it for me – thank you.

I apologise to everybody who buys our book and reads it. Because I tried to make my portion of it informative enough to where it wouldn't hurt you. And I told Cathy that she had to include enough detail in the book such as anatomical details of her alleged abusers so that we could get them into court and make them drop their pants.

That kind of leads me into the presenter for the second oldest profession – now who was first? It's a long debate in the 'intelligence' community whether prostitutes or spies came first.

At this point I would like to introduce Cathy O'Brien. The person who rescued my spirituality. I wasn't a bad guy but I needed that extra push. And I'm mighty proud to have been with her for over eight years now."

Cathy O'Brien...

I want to thank each and every one of you for coming out here tonight. To arm yourselves with knowledge about a tool that's being covertly used to usher in what Adolph Hitler and George Bush term New World Order. That's mind-control.

I've enjoyed talking with quite a few of you earlier this evening; pertaining to how mind-control has affected some of you or some of your loved ones. Mind-control is very prevalent in this country and around the world.

These criminals that are in control of our country operate on the philosophy that secret knowledge equals power. Many government secrets and personal reputations were staked on the belief that I could not be deprogrammed to remember those things that I was supposed to forget. They were wrong. For, as intelligent as these perpetrators are, they are limited in their thinking by their own immorality. They don't have wisdom. They don't think deep. And they never consider the strength of the human spirit.

They never considered what would happen when a good man like Mark Phillips gained knowledge of their secrets and used them to restore a mind, rather than control one.

I know that I am extremely fortunate to have survived my CIA/MK-Ultra/White House/Pentagon-level trauma-based mind-control victimisation. Now that I'm in control of my own mind, and ultimately my free will, I'm telling. I'm telling everything that I witnessed and saw and heard and photographically recorded behind the scenes of this New World Order effort. By telling their secrets, their power is eroding.

I also speak out to give voice to the many, many mind-control victims and survivors out there who can't think to speak out and tell what they know and what they've endured. I speak out for the sake of my daughter, Kelly, who is now 16 years old and is a political prisoner in the custody of the state of Tennessee, where she is being denied any rehabilitation, due to the political affluence of her abusers. She is counting on Mark and I to get this word out on her behalf.

For Kelly's sake and for your sake, Mark and I have gone to great lengths with the facts and the truths that are listed in our book, Trance Formation of America. Trance Formation of America is self-published – uncensored – so that you can have the facts that you have a right to know and a need to know. These truths have been covered up and kept from us for a long time under a blanket of so-called 'National Security'. This is the same blanket of National Security that has prevented us from obtaining justice despite the extensive evidences and documentation we have. We have over 27,000 documents and evidences: government insider testimony, medical records, more than enough evidence for any legal procedure in this country, including congressional. But this blanket of National Security has stopped us from obtaining justice.

It's time for Truth to prevail. It's time that these truths were brought to light for the sake of humanity as we know it.

I'd like to begin by defining mind-control – by my experience.

I realise that my experience was extreme; that the extensive, total robotic, absolute mind-control I endured is more limited than the kind of mind-control that is proliferating in society. Mind-control has kind of a sliding scale, where you've got the total robotic mind-control on one side and you've got mind-control that is proliferating such as in occultism in this country, or Global Education 2000, where children are losing their freedom of thought and their ability to critically analyse. There are so many different aspects of society that are affected by mind-control in varying degrees. It's imperative that this information gets out and as I explain my victimisation, it certainly can be applied to all different facets of mind-control and mind-manipulation. And as Mark and I have heard so many, many times from people who have read the book and who have heard us speak out, that this is a thread that is tying things together. All of a sudden this whole New World Order is making sense. The erosion of constitutional values, the erosion of morality in this country; all of a sudden it begins to make sense when we learn about mind-control.

I was born in 1957, in Muskegon Michigan, to a multi-generational incest-based family. This means my father was sexually abused as a child, my mother was sexually abused as a child, and they were sexually abusing me. My father sexually abused me as far back as I can remember. And I've often heard him state that he began substituting his penis for my mother's nipple while I was still an infant.

I tell you this so you can understand that my sexuality was confused at infancy. It was put into an area of my brain that's much like survival, like eating and drinking would be. I tell you these facts so that you can be better armed and understand what's happening in society, and name names. Mark and I name names in our book. Not so that I can say that I was in the White House with so and so; I mean I miss the whole glamour part. But this is so you know who the problem is and where these problems lie.

The sexual abuse that I was enduring was so horrific that I developed Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID). This used to be termed Multiple Personality Disorder and I'm so glad they've changed it to DID because it really more aptly describes the compartmentalisation that occurs when a person endures trauma that is literally too horrible to comprehend. Even though I couldn't understand that what my father was doing was morally wrong, the pain and the suffocation of his abuse was so extensive that I developed DID. It certainly was incomprehensible; there was no place for it in my mind to deal with such horror. Therefore, I developed a compartment in my brain, a little area behind amnesic barriers that was actually the neuron pathways shutting down in my brain in order to compartmentalise the memory of abuse so that the rest of my mind could function normally, as though nothing had happened.

So if I'd seen my father at the dinner table, I didn't remember sexual abuse, but as soon as he unzipped his pants, the part of me, the part in my brain that knew how to deal with that abuse, the neuron pathways actually physically opened up so that that part of my mind could deal with my father again and again and again as needed. I certainly had a lot of experiences within that compartment that dealt with my father's abuse, but I did not have a full range of perceptions, I had a very limited perception, a very limited view. Therefore, I'm so glad it's not termed 'Personality' anymore.

I developed another compartment within my brain to deal with my mother's abuse. Her abuse was primarily psychological. She suffered from DID herself and I don't hold her accountable for her actions the way that I do my father who was fully aware of what he was doing. My mother, in spite of her inability to control herself, destroyed any remnants of self-esteem that I might have developed. And her abuse was so horrific that I developed another compartment in my brain just to deal with my mother.

I developed another compartment to deal with the child pornography that my father was subjecting me to. He was earning his living as a worm-digger on a sixth grade education and supplemented the family income with child pornography that was being distributed through the local Michigan Mafia pornography ring.

At that time, there was a criminal faction of our government that was interested in targeting children such as myself for mind-control, because this compartmentalisation of memory was something that they deemed ideal for keeping government secrets. After all, if I couldn't think to remember how could I tell about it? Additionally, people who suffer from DID develop a photographic memory behind those amnesic barriers because the brain has a defence mechanism that when trauma occurs it photographically records events surrounding trauma. An example of this would be that many of you who are old enough to remember when John F Kennedy was assassinated, most people know exactly where they were and what they were doing. This was an event that traumatised the nation and this exemplifies how the mind photographically records events surrounding trauma.

So behind these amnesic barriers, I had a photographic memory which the government deemed ideal for programming. That way I could deliver messages to and from government leaders, or in my case also drug lords who were involved in funding the 'black budget' and funding the New World Order controls. They were interested in programming me so that I would deliver the messages verbatim. When I delivered messages, I delivered exactly what I was told, using the voice inflections of my abusers, with no conscious comprehension of what I was even saying. I was just a tape recorder, parroting out exactly what I had been told.

Another aspect that the government was interested in was that as a DID person, I had no concept of time, because I was going from compartment to compartment to compartment in my brain with no memory of what had happened before. Therefore, I had no ability to keep track of time and the concept of it was just absolutely impossible. If I didn't know what I was doing earlier, I wouldn't know to be tired while I was overdoing something else. Therefore, a person who suffers from DID has extensive physical endurance; just superhuman strength and ability to keep going and going and going.

DID persons also develop a 44 time visual acuity. Very often that's why you see them wide-eyed, with the whites around their eyes, because they are actually taking in more of their surroundings than the average person – 44 times more detail than the average person sees. That certainly makes them perfect marksmen for mercenary operations or for intelligence.

I was a 'chosen one' or a prime candidate for mind-control because of the sexual abuse that I had endured. My sexuality had been enhanced, therefore I was used as a sex slave and also delivered messages to and from these government leaders. At that time, because this criminal faction of our government was so interested in DID persons, they knew that any child who was subjected to child pornography had to have endured trauma so horrible that they had to be suffering from that disorder. Therefore, this criminal faction of our government sanctioned this child pornography ring, so that they could identify and target children such as myself for the Project. At that time the local Michigan Mafia politician, who was protecting this pornography ring, was a guy named Gerald Ford. This is the same Gerald Ford that went on to become the first unelected President of the United States.

I never perceived his political affluence, I only perceived him as another abuser like my father, because Gerald Ford also sexually abused me as a child and sexually abused me right on through my mind-control victimisation until Mark rescued my daughter Kelly and I in 1988. Gerald Ford is not a paedophile per se, he is what I refer to as try-sexual – he'll try anything, any age, anybody, anytime, anywhere, just as long as he had control, because he had a perversion of power in addition to his interest in mind-control.

It was Gerald Ford who came up to our house and explained to my father how to raise me in the Project according to government specifications. My father had been caught sending this child pornography through the US mail and therefore he was approached and told that if he sold me into that Project, he would gain immunity from prosecution. My father remains free from prosecution to date, for so-called 'reasons of National Security'! My father thought it was just absolutely wonderful and immediately sold me into the Project. He felt like the government condoned child abuse. So did I. My father went on to have five more children to raise in the Project, so there were seven of us in all. The rest are still awaiting freedom.

Once my father agreed to sell me into the Project I was taken routinely to Mackinac Island, Michigan, which is a political retreat where the Michigan governors mansion is located. It was a Bohemian Grove of sorts, where the politicians met and discussed New World Order controls and mind-control. Mind-control of the masses, mind-control in the school systems, how to use occultism as a trauma base.

One of my sexual abusers at that time was the Prime Minister of Canada, Pierre Treudeau. Pierre Treudeau is a professed Jesuit. Now the Jesuits are an intelligence arm of the Catholic Vatican. There is a criminal faction within these Jesuits. I am certainly not saying all Catholics are bad, nor am I saying all CIA's bad, nor all politicians. There is good and bad in everything. But, nevertheless, Pierre Treudeau represented this criminal faction of the Catholic Jesuits, who believed in mind-control of the masses. Because they wanted to be the One World Church in the New World Order. The money that was being brought in through the Church was funding New World Order controls.

Another sexual abuser of mine was, then Michigan Senator, and later US Congressman, Guy Vanderjagt. This is the same Guy Vanderjagt that went on to head the Republican National Committee which put George Bush into the office of President.

It was at Makinac Island Michigan, when I was thirteen years old that I was dedicated to the Senator who had become my owner in this mind-control project. That is US Senator, Robert C Byrd. Senator Byrd is a Democrat from West Virginia…and again as you'll notice as I reveal any names that this doesn't have anything to do with party lines; Democrats and Republicans both are involved, because it is not about party lines, it is about who's for a New World Order and who's not? Nevertheless, Senator Byrd has been in office, he's still in office today, he's been head of our Senate Appropriations Committee, which means he held the purse strings of our country. He decided where money would be spent. And I know, from having witnessed and experienced and saw so much behind the scenes that Senator Byrd was appropriating money in directions that would allow for New World Order controls.

Not only that, but my father, for having sold me into this Project, was granted a lucrative military contract for making cam shafts for military automobiles and all. My father became extremely wealthy on a sixth grade education.

Senator Byrd, as my owner, would decide where I should go, when, what operations I would be forced to carry out during the Reagan-Bush administration, what places I should be taken to specifically for mind-control programming. Senator Byrd directed all of my activities.

Also around that time, I had made my first communion, in Muskegon St Francis of Assisi Church. Having made my first communion, I also endured an extra ritual after that that was referred to as the 'rite to remain silent'. This involved Congressman Vanderjagt and the head of our church at that time, a Father Don. They subjected me to an occult blood ritual. This was so horrific, this reversal of the Catholic Mass, it confused my mind because when a person is operating on a subconscious level they are so traumatised that consciously there's no place for what they are enduring. The subconscious mind has no ability to discern and to question and reason the same way that the conscious mind does. And this reversal of the Catholic Mass into occultism just made it all seem to run together in my mind. It was so absolutely horrible that my mind readily accepted the mind manipulation that I endured afterwards – a hypnotic language, the neurolinguistic programming, mind-control programming, that actually changed the way that my brain was functioning.

You know that part of my brain that I said would open up to deal with my father's abuse again and again? They changed that, so that they decided when where and how that particular compartment in my brain would be opened and accessed. They replaced the triggering mechanism with hypnotic codes, keys and triggers, hand signals, there's also phone tones that can open those neuron pathways and give access to the compartmentalised memories as well.

With this rite to remain silent, I also had a silence in my head after that; because up until that time I heard my own voice arguing back and forth, back and forth, with all these different perceptions from the different compartments in order that I could formulate some kind of a decision about things. I remember before the rite to remain silent that I had some free thoughts of my own and I had hoped for a place in the world where people didn't abuse each other. I had hoped to have ten children that I knew would be at least ten children in this world that weren't abused. I had hoped for those things, but with the rite to remain silent I lost my capacity, my ability for free-will thinking. I lost my ability to even hope anymore. I lost all free will entirely. This rite to remain silent silenced this argument that always went on in my head and instead all I ever heard from that point on was the voices of my abusers directing me, telling me exactly what it was that I was supposed to do. I could have only robotically followed those instructions and carried them out.

By the time I was ready for high school, Senator Byrd ordered that I be sent to Muskegon Catholic Central High School. At that time there was an enormous emergence of information that Catholics had long since learned the effects of trauma on the human mind. They had learned it and kept records of it for so many years from such things as the Spanish Inquisition and other aspects where people who didn't follow the belief systems were wiped out. The Crusaders had also recorded a lot of information pertaining to trauma on the human mind. This information was being merged with the Hitler/Himmler research that the CIA had taken and had been advancing on. The combination of the merging of the information was very powerful. Muskegon Catholic Central was a place where this information was being brought together. It was at Catholic Central that the very basis, the very groundwork for Global Education 2000 was being implemented. There are many different names for the Programme which is being implemented in our school systems, that is being forced on our children by the Federal government.

Global Education 2000 was designed to increase our children's learning capacity while decreasing their ability to critically analyse. That way they would just readily accept whatever they were told without any question and just take all the information in.

At Catholic Central I got straight A's; I did really good in school because I was photographically recording everything in class. I endured occult ritual in the school chapel, as did numerous other students in the school; I certainly wasn't the only one. As a matter of fact, by that time I really thought that the whole world was involved in this kind of abuse. By then my whole environment was saturated with it. This occultism, this trauma, created the photographic recording of all that I learned in school. Of course I had no ability to critically analyse or to creatively use it in any way, but the information was sure in there.

It was while I was at Catholic Central that Gerald Ford went into the office of President. I had been conditioned by that time to believe that I had no place to run and no place to hide. This is a phrase that is used to lock in mind-control victims of varying levels, that there is no place to run, no place to hide, we're watching you. I certainly felt like I had no place to run and no place to hide. Who would I turn to? I couldn't turn to my parents. I couldn't turn to my church. I couldn't turn to my school. I couldn't turn to the local politicians. And now I couldn't even turn to the President of the United States!

I truly felt locked in. Which was exactly what they wanted for total control of my mind.

Of course, since then I have learned otherwise. And Mark wisely taught me, while I was in the deprogramming process, that I did have a place to run – right at them. And I have no need to hide. Obviously, they do, by the way. They are covering up all their acts with the National Security blanket.

After I graduated from high school, Senator Byrd ordered that I be moved to Nashville Tennessee. Nashville Tennessee was heavily involved in mind-control at that time through the country music industry, and above all the proliferation of CIA cocaine operations within the country music industry were already in full swing. The political corruption in Tennessee was just all the way to the top. The country music industry provided a cover for mind-control slaves like myself to be taken around the country to the various places designated. And also to distribute and deliver the large quantities of CIA cocaine that was coming in to the country.

It is my experience that the CIA's so-called 'war on drugs' is no more than the CIA eliminating their competition as they take over the drug industry worldwide. They took their 'war on drugs' to our street corners and turned our streets into a blood bath.

The country music industry provided the cover for distributing the cocaine, so Senator Byrd wanted me to be within the country music industry. Besides that, he fancied himself an entertainer of sorts and he fiddled on the Grand Old Opry from time to time. When I was first sent to Nashville, he was playing on the Opry that night and he had a musician behind him – a guy named Wayne Cox. Wayne Cox later told me that playing music behind Senator Byrd wasn't the only way that he backed him, but that he backed him politically as well. After the Opry that night I endured an occult ritual… again occultism is oftentimes used as a trauma-base for mind-control. Who can comprehend that kind of a trauma? Blood rituals, absolutely horrible, and it is a perfect trauma-base for mind-control; for the compartmentalisation of memory.

I witnessed Wayne Cox murder a railroad bum down at Nashville's Union Station. It was abandoned at that time and there were bums around. And he shot him right between the eyes and cut off both of his hands, which was Cox's MO for murder.

After this blood ritual, I was programmed that Wayne Cox would be my first handler in MK-Ultra mind-control. As my handler, Wayne Cox would follow Senator Byrd's directions and instructions. Above all, he would be subjecting me to more trauma; sufficient to satisfy the numerous compartments that Senator Byrd wanted developed in my brain for mind-control programming, so that I could carry out various operations during the Reagan-Bush administration.

I endured numerous occult rituals after that. Wayne Cox at that time was working directly under the direction of Louisiana Senator J Bennett Johnston and he took me to his home town in Chatham Louisiana. J Bennett Johnston, at that time, was heavily involved in mind-control operations because he was running a band of mercenaries out of Louisiana. At that time this band of mercenaries were going in and out of South America. There were a lot of arms deals going on. And most importantly, when the aeroplanes would fly these guys down to South America, they would come back full of cocaine, which was being distributed on our streets. Wayne Cox was triggering these mercenaries into operation by showing them a severed hand from another one of his victims, which re-traumatised them into the occult ritual that they had already endured and accessed a specific compartment of their brain. And he told them that J Bennett Johnston wanted them to 'give him a hand'. He would then give them instructions and the guys would follow them through.

At that time, it was 1978, and it was determined that I had endured sufficient trauma to carry out my first trial run operation. An enormous quantity of cocaine had been flown in on one of these operations and I was to deliver it into the neighbouring state of Arkansas. By that time, Bill Clinton's drug operation was in full swing. He was governor of Arkansas.

I delivered this cocaine to a remote airport on Ouachita Forrest, which I have since identified as Mena Airport. I also delivered a little packet of information and a small quantity of cocaine, a personal stash from J Bennett Johnston to Bill Clinton. I delivered it to Bill Clinton and he cut out two lines of the coke – and he did inhale!

That certainly wasn't the only time I saw Bill Clinton using cocaine.

My sexual experience with Bill Clinton was extremely limited, in spite of the fact that I was a sex slave. It was my experience that Bill Clinton is bisexual, leaning far more towards a homosexual, and all I have ever seen him involved in is homosexual activity with very limited experience with him myself. Whereas, my experience was much more prevalent with Hillary Clinton because Hillary is also bisexual, leaning more towards a homosexual. It was she who accessed my sex programming to fulfil her perversions.

Around this same time, J Bennett Johnston subjected me to some other mind manipulation that involved, instead of an occult theme, an alien theme. Now these guys who were manipulating my mind and programming me for mind-control purposes, and these criminals in control of our country as well, claimed to be gods, demons and aliens in order that I feel totally helpless; in order that I felt they were beyond my realm to affect. It certainly worked at that time. J Bennett Johnston told me that he was an alien. He told me that he'd been part of the Philadelphia Experiment, and when the ship disappeared it came back a spaceship.

This is in keeping with an air-water mirror theme that NASA uses quite frequently. A reversal. Because, again, the subconscious mind doesn't have any reasoning capacity.

J Bennett Johnston then showed me, in his office at General Dynamics, a then top secret Stealth (advanced aircraft – ed.). Here was this triangular Stealth that wasn't in any of the school books, wasn't being talked about anywhere, wasn't out in the newspapers or anything else, it was being withheld – it was still a top secret weapon system. It looked like a spaceship to me. I'd never seen anything like that. And Everything J Bennett Johnston was doing and was involved in was certainly alien to me. So it was easy for me to accept the idea that what was happening was in fact being perpetrated by aliens.

I'm not saying that there's no such thing as aliens – that would be foolish of me. But what I am saying is that it was my experience that these were people claiming to be aliens.

If there is a reality out there pertaining to any alien influence, we need to sort out the government misinformation and disinformation and mind-manipulation techniques that they are using. I know for a fact that the plan is to make all of us feel totally helpless; that what's happening is beyond our realm to affect because we've been taken over by aliens, that our Independence Day is dawning. So beware of that.

Understand that those criminals have been keeping information and technology from us under the blanket of National Security. They are 25 years ahead of us at least technologically. Can you imagine what they've got now? What's happened that you are aware of in the last 25 years? Microwave ovens, we've got computerisation, and they've had access to all of that to continue their own advancements. They are way ahead. So when they say, 'It's aliens, it's aliens', and they show us some incredible technology, don't fall into the trap of feeling totally helpless, that this is beyond our realm to affect.

Superstition begins where knowledge leaves off. And they have been keeping knowledge from us for a long time. People have all kinds of belief systems and I'm sure each one of you has various and different belief systems as well. Regardless of what your belief system is, it is imperative that you know that these criminals are people. They are within our realm to affect. They need to be held accountable for their actions and their crimes against humanity.

It was 1980 when my daughter Kelly was born. She was born directly into the MK-Ultra mind-control project, on a much higher level, a much more sophisticated technological level than I was subjected to. In addition to trauma, she was subjected to harmonic mind-control programming on NASA installations, literally since birth, before her brain even had a chance to form.

As soon as Kelly was born, Senator Byrd figured I'd been traumatised enough by that time and ordered that we be transferred back to Nashville Tennessee, to carry out operations during the Reagan administration. But being within the country music industry, we had a second handler – his name was Alex Houston. Alex Houston is a ventriloquist, stage hypnotist in the country music industry. Above all, he carries out criminal covert CIA operations that fund the Black Budget. This certainly included bringing in large quantities of cocaine and distributing them throughout the United States and Canada.

He was working at that time and provided a cover for me to be taken throughout the US, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean for these criminal covert operations. As my handler, he took me to various military and NASA installations for mind-control programming, for specific operations that I was forced to participate in. These operations I won't have time to get into tonight, but are detailed in our book Trance Formation of America. And they involve such leaders as the President of Mexico at that time, De la Madrid, and Vice President Salinas.

It was my experience that in 1984…

There is a CIA trauma base that is located in Lampe Missouri. It is called the Swiss Villa Amphitheatre. They bring certain involved country music acts in to bring large quantities of cocaine or bring the cocaine out for distribution. Because Lampe Missouri is just across the Arkansas line and is very much a part of Bill Clinton's cocaine operation. And it was in full swing at that time.

It's also interesting to note that this Lampe Missouri operation is where the country music industry was more conveniently relocated, you know, right there in Branson so that it would be closer to Clinton's cocaine operations.

Lampe Missouri was also the place where I heard George Bush and Bill Clinton talking. From the point of view I had, they certainly were friends, they didn't recognise any party lines between them. That's a smoking mirrors illusion for the public. It's not something they adhere to because they had exactly the same agenda, and that was for bringing in this New World Order.

I heard George Bush, at that time, talking to Bill Clinton, and I've since photographically recorded it and wrote it verbatim in our book. That when the American public became disillusioned with the Republicans leading them into the New World Order, that Bill Clinton as a Democrat was going to be put into the office of President. This was decided in 1984. Actually, I'd heard about it even prior to that. But as of 1984, they were already discussing it as an absolute fact.

It was also discussed, in the groundwork for NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement – a process of centralisation of economic power – ed.), that by the time George Bush went into the office of President, Salinas was going to become the President of Mexico, and they together were going to be bringing in NAFTA; which was the beginning of New World Order controls.

I was forced to participate in the criminal groundwork for NAFTA, the opening of the Juarez Mexican border to free trade – free trade of drugs, the free trade our nation's children. It's absolutely appalling, the criminal roots of NAFTA. Again, this is detailed in the book.

But it's interesting to note that these political moves had already been decided way back when. And as I deprogrammed it was really something to me to find out that people didn't know about this stuff. It was so obvious to me, I didn't realise that people were unaware and had bought into some kind of smoking mirrors illusions of what was going on and never thought to look behind the scenes at what was going on.

I understand that good people don't think that way. They don't have criminal minds. They don't think to look for that kind of criminal activity. Just like these guys are limited in their thinking by immorality, good people are blinded from that kind of criminal activity, until their eyes are opened to truth.

The people that were involved in this criminal activity that was going on at that time, were following directions from George Bush. I don't purport to know it all. I don't purport to know that George Bush is at the very top of all this. But he is as high up as I knew.

It was my experience that Ronald Reagan answered to George Bush. Not robotically, not under mind-control, but willingly because George Bush was respected for what he knew about bringing in the New World Order.

Consider his past. George Bush first began with the United Nations. Then he went on to head our CIA. Then he ran our country through three administrations that I'm aware of: the Reagan administration, his administration and the Clinton administration. Because Reagan and Clinton both answered to him. Mexican President De la Madrid answered to him, and knew that Salinas was coming into power, and Salinas had more influence in Mexico at that time than De la Madrid, as far as my experience was concerned. Also, Saudi Arabian King Fahd followed orders from George Bush. As did the Prime Minister of Canada, Brian Mulroney.

In 1983, I heard Ronald Reagan and Brian Mulroney discussing the New World Order. Senator Byrd had acted in the capacity of a pimp and prostituted me to Reagan and I was present at this White House cocktail party. Now Ronald Reagan certainly provided a wonderful smoking mirrors illusion for all of us. For those of you who don't want to believe that he's involved in all of this: he told you he is an actor. And he did a real good job of it for a long time. That was his role. That's what he was supposed to do.

Nevertheless, I heard Ronald Reagan telling Brian Mulroney that he believed the only way to world peace was through mind-control of the masses.

I know from experience that there's no peace of mind under mind-control. And I wonder at a world peace where people don't have peace of mind.

The ramifications of mind-control are far-reaching. I also know that under mind-control there's no free thought. Without free thought there's no free will. Without God-given free will there's no soul expression.

What kind of a world peace can we have without any free will or soul expression – without any spirituality?

Mind-control needs to be exposed in order that people maintain their freedom of thought. In order that people maintain their free will, and have that spiritual expression. Because when people have soul and spirituality, their going to be acting in a capacity of love anyway. That is where world peace is! Not in mind-control.

By 1988, I had been forced to participate in numerous operations against my will. All of which I certainly would never have done. I guess if I'd had any part of me that was willing to do anything like that, mind-control would not have been necessary.

I'm appalled at what I was forced to participate in. But I am relieved that this information is getting out. That people are passing the book hand to hand so that hand in hand we can take back our country. This information is information that you have a right to know and a need to know. And their controlled media are not going to suppress truth. Truth prevails.

In 1988, Mark rescued my daughter, Kelly, and I. We couldn't think to escape. I couldn't think to save my daughter any more than I could think to save myself. And all those childhood hopes and dreams certainly hadn't come to fruition. When Mark rescued Kelly and I we didn't have any ability to hope for good people. We didn't know they existed. We didn't have a capacity to trust anyone that wasn't within our realm of experience. I couldn't think to reason that Mark was a good guy but I had seen him with his animals and we had this extra sense developed, we sensed things very strongly. After all, when you consider that we use like 10% of our brain, we'd been like blasted into other parts of our brain which were real perceptive on what's considered, I suppose, psychic levels by some definition. We had a sense for things, kind of like the animals did. And we noticed that the animals loved Mark. He had these three racoons that he'd rescued, and they all loved him, and they hugged him and wrapped their arms around his neck and they patted on his face, and he kissed them. And you know, that was really a neat thing for us to see, because we had only seen our animals abused. We had lived on a farm and we had dogs and cats and horses and cows and guineas and chickens and all kinds of animals; all of which Alex Houston tortured or killed to keep us in line. If we didn't do this, this would happen to our pet. And we loved our animals.

Please bear this in mind, that people who abuse children oftentimes abuse animals. If you see someone abusing an animal, keep your eyes open, look further, make sure those kids are safe. I've never seen an exception to this rule. Not that there's not one out there somewhere.

So it was very telling to us that these animals loved Mark. Additionally, when he came in and rescued us we were under the gun of the CIA; everything was very curious to say the least. I was 30 years old. I was supposed to be killed, as most mind-controlled slaves are at the age of 30. Besides, I was considered too old for sex by that time. So I was supposed to be wiped out. Mark came in and rescued me from certain death and rescued my daughter from a fate much worse than death. And took the time to rescue our animals. He packed up all those cows and horses and guineas and chickens and loaded them up on these different trailers and brought them to safety as well.

This had a profound impact on Kelly and I. We certainly developed an ability to trust right there and then.

Mark took us to the safety and serenity of Alaska. Since we were safe for the first time in our lives, experiencing love for the first time in our lives, memories of our past began flashing on our mind-screen. As these memories flashed and I started to remember what had happened to me and to my daughter, particularly during the Reagan-Bush administration, I became enraged. I was enraged at what my daughter had been through, the tortures I had endured and what the plan was for humanity as a whole. I'd have been blinded by that rage, immobilised by that rage, if it weren't for Mark's wisdom in telling me that the best revenge is total recovery. Because through total recovery, by photographically recording all of those events, I could expose these people for exactly what they are, for what their plans are and for what I witnessed behind the New World Order, to be able to get help for my daughter who was in desperate need of help at that particular time.

So I began writing out my memories. By writing out my memories, I used a different part of my brain than verbalising; it bypasses emotion. Bypassing emotion was very necessary for logically making the incomprehensible comprehensible, for understanding and grasping what had happened to us and what could be done with that information.

Kelly was not so fortunate. Because of the harmonic programming that she'd endured, remembering the traumas and deprogramming the programmes did not allow her access to all parts of her brain as it did me. She still needed some technological equipment to help her recover. She needed to actually have those neuron pathways vibrated back open with harmonic equipment. Therefore, she went into Humana Hospital in Anchorage Alaska, in an intensive care unit. She suffered horribly at that time and responded only to some psychological intervention and not to any conventional medications. Kelly was actually suffering respiratory failure. Because mind-control has advanced to the point where they know the ins and outs of the brain and the mind so well that they know how to programme not only the sub-conscious, but to go into the primitive mind, the very area of our mind where blinking, breathing and heart-beat is regulated. They can go in there and put death programmes in place.

In my daughter's case it was respiratory failure, so that in the event that she ever had cause to remember – which they never expected could happen – but in espionage that can happen… so they won't have to take the old cyanide pill anymore, like spies used to; instead they would simply go into respiratory failure or circulatory failure and no information would be released at all. Since my daughter was being raised – genetically and through mind-control – to be in espionage, she had that programme in place and it went into effect. Because of the medical attention that she needed she became quickly thrust into the illegal and immoral custody of the state of Tennessee, where she remains today.

The violations of laws and rights that proliferated in her so-called 'legal' case were extensive. We had one clean District Attorney that went in and told the judge that he was violating constitutional rights and human rights in my daughter's case. He cited law after law after law and the judge interrupted him and said, 'But laws do not apply in this case for reasons of National Security'.

This certainly raises a question: 'What does National Security have to do with the documented, validated and proven rape and molestation of a child's mind and body?'

For Kelly's sake and the sake of so many other mind-control survivors out there, we need to lift this veil of 'National Security'. We need to repeal the 1947 National Security Act. This isn't National Security, it's threatening the security of our nation when it covers up such crimes against humanity as mind-control; when it covers up the CIA's so-called 'war on drugs'; when it covers up the selling out of our country to New World Order controls. That's a National Security that has nothing to do with the security of our nation.

This National Security has kept information pertaining to mind-control from all of you for far too long. We've got to get this information out. We've got to arm others with knowledge on mind-control, because knowledge is our only defence against mind-control. We need to get this information out in detail so that we can all be more effective in our particular areas of taking back our country, and ultimately, taking back our world; for Kelly's sake, for the sake of all the other mind-control survivors and victims that I know are out there; there's many many of them; and for the sake of humanity as we know it. It is truth that sets us free.

Please help us spread the word.

Thank you.

Questions From The Floor

Is Jonestown part of mind-control?

Mark:

Jonestown was an MK-Ultra project.

Now that's right out of the government printing office; right out of the FOIA. You can get this information just like I did and you can look in the book and you will see government headings from the 'Freedom of Information Act – Government Printing Office', of various investigations done by Congress – the 93rd Congress, the 95th Congress, and so on and so forth. If you go to your library and access those under those headings, you will come up with this information.

But let me give you a little information about Jonestown. In French Guyana, the money for Jonestown came through a Mexico City bank and it was traced directly to the Central Intelligence Agency. Jonestown was not a mind-control project. Mind-control had long since been perfected. Jonestown was a biological weapons project. And the worst part about this whole thing is there are two other projects twice the size that had been going on in 1977 and they are still going on today.

Now, that is very much reminiscent of the house of prostitution for little children that were being used in Washington DC that you read about even in your – I don't want to call them 'newspapers' anymore. There was a house of prostitution that these congressmen were using that was using little children in there. Well nobody ever thought to ask, 'What happened to all the little children that were being used?' I'll tell you: they were moved right down the street, two and a half blocks away, to three other houses of prostitution that still operate to this day!

Cathy:

It's interesting to note that Wayne Cox idolised Jim Jones, he also idolised Charles Manson. This is the same Wayne Cox that's down there in Chatham Louisiana, an occult serial killer who is immune from prosecution, right now, he's free, for reasons of National Security.

What is the name of the Jesuit order you spoke about?

Cathy:

I mention in the book that they refer to themselves – not only the Jesuits but all of them at the top of this New World Order pyramid – as The Order of the Rose.

Please discuss the connection between the New World Order and the dominant network media. For example ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN etc.

Mark:

Information control, folks, is mind-control. Need I say more?
What you hear and what you see is all you have to base your decisions upon.
We are being brain-washed.

Do you see any connections between government and Satanists?

Mark:

No, I see a direct correlation between Satanic activity as well as blood traumas and other horrific types of abuse that is used as a part of their religious belief. But I don't down-play the subject of Satanism; it's just that when you say, 'aliens did it', 'demons did it', I can't do anything about a demon; I can't do anything about an alien. I can do something about a human being that says they're a demon or says they're an alien. And you all can affect those kind of folks too. But I don't know of any way to go after a demon, nor an alien.

I'm not saying there's not aliens and I'm not saying there's not demons, but I want to tell you all something: every single patient up until about 1982 that was presenting with DID was diagnosed with demons and they went right off the edge. And if that didn't get them, the 'how does that make you feel?' got them; or 'your session is up' got them, when they were right in the middle of an abreaction – that's re-experiencing the trauma. So the poor patient was either going to be subjected to an exorcism by a – good intentioned in most cases – religious person, or an exorcism of sorts from their therapist.

Because they didn't have any other information – they didn't know what they were looking at. They didn't realise that the brain-stem was scarred, very much like they have in multiple sclerosis, and that you can get people to retrain the brain right through the auditory (sic). But you can't say, 'Let me get that demon out', or 'Oh, gee, I hope the alien doesn't come and get you tonight.' Because you are reinforcing programme.

So no I'm not downplaying Satanism, I'm not downplaying any sort of religious belief. What I am downplaying is a belief that it's something other than human beings.

How much mind-control is in the mass media? For example, last year there was no such thing as black helicopters; as of last month, everybody knows the military has black helicopters.

Cathy:

Mind manipulation in the media is extensive and they are controlling us by controlling our information – the same way that they're controlling children through the information that they are being fed in the school system.

And to answer another question: yes it is in our school systems now. And the computers have actually been changed where the history has been altered and people like Thomas Jefferson are even left out of history in order that our children be brought up with socialistic values. So, just as our children are being manipulated in the school system, all of us are being manipulated through the media.

We need to be especially careful that when trauma occurs in this country, we are not losing any more of our freedom; because they know that the traumatic effects on your mind are making you more susceptible and more suggestible and receptive to whatever controls they want to implement.

Are many FBI and CIA personnel under mind-control?

Mark:

I have heard they are.

I don't personally know anybody under mind-control who are working for the CIA or the FBI. I know a lot of them that are under information control.

I do know that the CIA and FBI recruits Mormons with favouritism, who have just come off of their mission. Now, these gentlemen are very receptive to taking orders; they are highly suggestible and they are ones who I know are being manipulated. There is a disproportionate number of Mormons in both the FBI and the CIA. I did not find that to be an indictment of the Mormons. As a matter of fact, we'll be in Salt Lake City speaking on the thirteenth of November, addressing a number of concerned Mormons because of this very subject.

What do you think of Linda Blood's book, 'The New Satanists'? Could you talk about Michael Aquino and his MO?

Cathy:

Yes, absolutely. Michael Aquino is a primary mind-control programmer of mine.

Mark:

By the way, he's a litigant too. He sues everybody that ever talks about him. Including Linda Blood. Except us.

He got on national television and said. 'Yeah, I know that Mark Phillips. He is gonna be the destruction of all organised religion in this country.'

Well, now there's an indictment!

Cathy:

Michael Aquino is the founder of the occult Temple of Set, that is proliferating on our military bases. He was with the psychological warfare division.

Some of his power is eroding thanks to the exposure that he is getting through people like Linda Blood.

It was my experience with Michael Aquino that he does not believe in the power of Satan, he does not believe in spirituality at all; that's not a part of what he does. What he does believe in is the power of trauma on the human mind and the compartmentalisation of memory through high voltage stun guns.

How does mind-control work??

Mark:

Whoever asked me that question, I hope they bought our book.

Why aren't people able to see beyond mind-control once they are controlled?

Mark:

Then it wouldn't be mind-control. It would be foot control, or finger control or eye control.

There is no conscious awareness under mind-control. You cannot think to get out of it. There's no reason to get out of it because you don't even think that you're being abused.

You don't think. That's the simplest analogy I can give you.

You are a reactionary robot.

How do you get deprogrammed?

Cathy:

With love. A lot of patience.

Mark:

The modality for doing that is in our book. It's a fifteen step one and no therapist can legally do it. I can, and I'm not going to do it any more.

How come the powers that be haven't killed either one of you?

Mark:

Two reasons.
How many people in here believe in God?
Alright. Those that have your hand up know half of the reason.
The other reason is, we followed a very careful path to the proverbial barn. We did not make some of the mistakes that some of our predecessors have. It's not that I'm any smarter, its just that I listen well and I know how to trust; therefore I know who to trust, even those that I have not seen.

Cathy:

Another reason, they've got so many fires to stomp out now, with people bringing truth out. We're just one of many. And besides, stopping us is not going to suppress the truth.

Were you ever at the Bohemian Club in Northern California?

Cathy:

Yes. There is a chapter in the book pertaining to Bohemian Grove and some of the meetings that went on there between the politicians and world leaders that were involved.
That is a place that needs to be exposed for exactly what it is.

Mark:

Someone asked: 'Considering the things you've seen and the places you've been why are you still alive today?'

I can tell you from personal experience, I can't tell you all the places I've been, I wonder why I'm still alive today. But her…it remains a total mystery to me and it always will.

Now her body bears the scars. She has some of the things that they can't take away, that they can't deny. Like Mr Byrd, if he were undressed before Congress and the nation, there are things he can't deny; and Mr Cheney as well. But there are undeniable scars that this lady carries that are not on her mind, they are on her brain stem, all over her body, thousands of stun gun scars, and a vaginal mutilation that defies the worst horror story you can imagine.

Those are things that people don't do to themselves.

I had a CIA boy who was palming himself off as an enforcement officer with the DEA who was on assignment to the US Customs, Florida – that should have been a tip-off. He said: 'You know, FBI believes she had that done to herself.'

I said: 'Of course she did. With a pocket knife, moron!' I said: 'How in the world would anybody even find anybody evil enough to do something like that?' And I tracked it down. It's an ancient Egyptian practise taught to Michael Aquino. And I understand from her that he is alleged to be the one that told her handler, Alex Houston, how to use carving knives to do it. He bragged that he was a 'carver'; he carved people.

Could you please elaborate on Ronald Reagan's involvement?

Cathy:

Oh yes, I could for a long time. I wish we had more time. The details are in the book.

Mark:

I need to bring up the Ronald Reagan situation.

I've got my wall in my office covered with invitations from Ronald Reagan, from George Bush, and some other presidents; one I don't even want to mention. But I was invited to dinners and inaugurations and all sorts of things through my relationships with people in the community and the State Department.

When I heard this information, I wasn't shocked about Ronald Reagan because when I was with Ampex Corporation in the early Seventies, Ronald Reagan was Governor of California and he was in deep deep trouble because he had encouraged a MK-Ultra mind-control experiment to be instituted in the Backoville Prison here in California. And it made the Congressional record. And Ronald Reagan is the Governor who is the only Governor of any state in the United States that got caught instituting trauma-based, chemical-based, frontal lobotomy, and so on mind-control in our prison systems. Now it is rampant. As a matter of fact, this is the one subject that you can get more information out of Congress on than any of the rest of them.

How does remote viewing, being done by various former military men such as Major Ed Dames and Courtney Brown, compare with your mind-control?

Mark:

It is all under the guise of MK-Ultra.

I was part of the Duke studies in 1967 and '68, working with the paranormal. Most of the people I saw at that time were of Soviet origin. As a matter of fact, I didn't know we had a Cold War going on. I really didn't. There was a huge exchange of information. I was constantly sitting down to the table with KGB agents and they were identified as such and handed me cards. I couldn't even understand, the first time somebody handed me a card I said, 'well this is the end of me'. He said, 'Do you have a card?'

Who is Kelly's father?

Cathy:

Wayne Cox was Kelly's father. He's her father because genetically they wanted her to have the capacity to be able to kill, because she was being brought up in espionage for those kind of purposes.

But it's interesting to note, David Icke, a dear friend of ours stated it eloquently: 'just as knowledge is neither good nor bad, it depends who has control of it'. By that same token, genetics, for as powerful an influence they are, they are not stronger than the human spirit. Kelly's soul is just so beautiful and her loving capacity is enormous and the love that she operates from is extensive.

She wants this information out for humanity's sake. So in spite of the genetics and who Kelly's father is, she's absolutely a beautiful child.

How did you get the number of operatives in this country?

Mark:

I got the answer to that three ways.

There's a catalogue company called Budapest out of Washington that's a catalogue of spy books and ours will soon be in it, hopefully. There are a number of books in there, I can't remember the title now, but the New York Times reads that catalogue and orders those books. They are done by Stockwell and every other name you can imagine, and Philip Agee (uncertain of correct spelling – ed.). Philip Agee I don't have a lot of respect for at all except, George Bush stood up on national television and said that he hated him more than any man on earth. I just couldn't help but love the guy.

You say in your book that mind-control slaves are permitted any drug except marijuana, why?

Cathy:

The effects of marijuana on the brain are not conducive to mind-control.

Mark:

It doesn't mean you can't be traumatised and put under mind-control, it just means it screws up the programming.

Cathy:

Because it actually opens neuron pathways in the brain. It expands thought.

I'm not going to stand here and speak pro-marijuana but I am anti-anti-marijuana because we see all these ads on t.v, and even Dole and Clinton in their campaigns are saying 'guns, violence and marijuana', as if it is so violent. Because it is not conducive to mind-control. They want it off the streets more than they want their drugs, like cocaine, off the street. Marijuana is especially targeted.

I don't promote the use of marijuana as a band-aid for mind-control because, again, knowledge is our only defence against it.

Tell us about the Congress men and women who are helping you.

Mark:

Yeah right!
I'll tell you one. Bob Clement. I grew up with him. Matter of fact, when his father was Governor, I used to go up with him. I remember I was highly traumatised by something I saw at the Governor's mansion, which I'm not going to tell on Bob, because it didn't have anything to do with him. But we've got a number of clean Congressmen and Congresswomen that are helping us from behind the scenes. That's part of that 50% equation that we're still here.

The information that we released, we released to every member in Congress at the same time and I had four Congressmen, one in particular, hand carrying every one of these packets to respective Congresswomen and Congressmen. That took a lot of effort on their behalf and a lot of nerve, since at that time I did not have all of that information validated, but they had received information from members of the Justice Department and US Customs that Cathy O'Brien was a valid case. And they were able to validate more than half of what was in that packet.

George Bush was handed a packet and he was nasty with me. He said that I threatened his life, which is the farthest thing from the truth because the Congressman that delivered it happened to be a lawyer – most of them are unfortunately – he had read the stuff – they were trying every way on earth to indict me for everything you can imagine – but this particular Congressman said that he would wear a sandwich sign before the news media if that was going to be the case.